#joon the king

[purpledemonlilyposting]

0 HOURS REMAIN

(Damnit Joon I thought you were gonna set it as a premiere I had to rush to finish my final graphic of this silly gag you ruined everything how could you do this to me 😂 )

[confused-rat]

Dear Everyone who is criticizing Joon’s use of pre-transition photos of Lily in his recent video thumbnail.

He didn’t. Those photos are all from 2016 and later, Lily came out in 2015.

Those were all photos Lily herself posted after coming out.

(Some posts I cannot find the originals for, as her tumblr at the time has been deleted, but I have found other posts posted in reference to the photos or were apart of series of photos, dating exactly when they had been posted.)

[britts-galaxy-brain]

Joon is not a "drama youtuber". Joon is a documentarian. He presents the events as they occurred using archived evidence and first-hand accounts. His personal opinions are never stated. He's a straight-shooter.

You've either never watched his content, or this is the tactic you've landed on to desperately try to convince your audience not to watch it when it comes out.

And if that anon is real, it is completely fucking mind-blowing that you've brainwashed your fanbase so hard that they see a DOCUMENTARIAN preparing a video on you and still believe the evidence is fake. Enjoy that while it lasts, I guess.

This won't be the only video that gets made on you, Lily. This is going to get you on the fuckin map. Most youtubers don't know the depths of the abyss that is your disgusting, unhinged history. People are going to be shocked, appalled, and very curious after this.

Millions of people are about to find out everything you've done, and there's not a goddamn thing you can do to stop it this time.

[nov4-rocket5]

Okay, so a lot of people are saying that Joon The King deadnames and deliberately used unflattering photos of Lily Orchard in his latest video.

The latter is pretty subjective, all the photos were of Lily post-coming out that she posted herself (and she really hasn’t changed much since posting them either); and the former claim is just… blatantly incorrect.

Joon clarifies Lily used to go by a different name once, and he says this because a lot of the archived footage and chats come from Lily pre-transition, and didn’t want the audience to get confused. He uses Lily's preferred name and pronouns the entire video, even when chats he's reading are of Lily's previous identity.

Keeping archival information unaltered is super important, both for the sake of Lily’s timeline, and the validity of Joon’s research. You start changing details out of a sense of 'respect' and you open up the question of what else you’re willing to change and censor. Maintaining the integrity and trust in your research is vital for communicating points. Especially when those points involve very heinous, very sensitive topics. If Joon had edited/censored the footage and chats, people would have searched for, found, and posted it anyway. It also would have probably led to Lily just claiming Joon falsified/doctored shots to make her look bad.

Joon isn't a DramaTuber, he's a documenter. And as a documenter, Joon presents information, in this case about Lily's online history and actions, and leaves it to the viewer to decide what to make of it. Joon doesn't moral police his audience, he set up that she is Lily and only chose to highlight her previous identity when it was relevant as a side fact (Joon doesn't even call her a cis male, just that she was still presenting that way), and trusted the audience he’s cultivated to not bully and harass people.

Current footage is used of Lily, current names and pronouns are used for Lily, and he makes it clear that Blake is a person who doesn't believe Lily's really trans but makes a brief counterpoint to Blake’s stance, and leaves it to the audience to make their own conclusions. Joon’s video is purely informational and intends to inform people about Lily and her long pattern of established behavior even before her current channel and Tumblr.

Joon encouraged discussion with Lily's current name and identity intelligently and gracefully. Knowing Lily’s deadname is just that - a name Lily was once known as, but she is Lily now. Since most people aren't rioting in the comments and keeping a level-head saying "she's Lily, these are her terrible crimes not just as a trans woman", Joon was successful. Only idiots and douchebags will directly harrass Lily with "hurr durr you will never be a yadda yadda". And Lily will no doubt just make those strawmen herself. Lily routinely thrives off chances to use her status as a trans woman “of color” to prove all her critics are just mean ol’ racist phobes.

And the simple truth of the matter is, Lily isn't some delicate ornament that will shatter to pieces at the slightest bit of transphobia; Lily is an easily-angered, pathological liar and manipulator who would hurt anyone in any way if she sincerely believed she could get away with it.

[that-one-kiddo-in-the-back]

Damn Courtney...

Hot take maybe, but I don't think abuser should have flattering pictures.

[mrdisturbed1799]

Lily you only have two videos that are approaching 9 million views, AND THEY’RE BOTH FROM SIX YEARS AGO!

That’s not a brag Lily, especially considering no video you’ve made since then have even come close to those kind of numbers. Your videos routinely tap out at 40K or 50K, occasionally you’ll get lucky and have a video crack a 100K. Contrast this with Joon, who’s videos are either approaching a million views or are at a million views.

Like Lily, the video about Star Wars you released the day before Joon’s video about you dropped is currently stuck at 18K. His video is currently at 489K, it ratioed you in just 5 hours of it’s release. I’m sorry Lily you can’t play the numbers game with Joon, cause you objectively will lose.

And bullshit you didn’t have to leech off better creators to get those views, because you absolutely fucking did. That’s what I’d call two videos where you capitalized on the wave of negative and often outright reactionary discourse surrounding those two shows especially SU. Unless your trying to say your better than the creators of SU or LOK, cause if so I believe the appropriate response is a hearty Lol a Lmao even.

P.S. Also Lily please, pick a fucking lane with the SU video already. Either commit to bragging about all the views it got and how successful it was or don’t. Because you can’t brag about it and then get offended anytime someone suggests it might’ve influenced the wider perception of the show.

[youcallyourselfafilmcritic]

It's great we're getting bigger content creators commenting on Lily's behaviour, with Jessie referencing her abuse of YouTube's copyright system to obviously Joon the King's MASSIVE expose

I've been following her bullshit for years and while I'm not hopeful it will get too far (YouTube is noooooot great at handling obviously corrosive creators) it can at least get the word out more that people can avoid her

[liquidorcard]

Meme idea

"Grandmas funeral" meme but the next panel is "Downfall of Lily Orchard"

[sickness-stricken]

Me watching all the new usernames pop up in the Lily Orchard tag today:

[locuas642]

Joon the King released a new video

Joon the King is a youtuber who covers controversial internet figures. And does so showing a timeline of the events relating to them.

For example, when he covered the (somewhat recent) controversy surrounding The Completionist, he spent a lot of time talking about his pre-completionist days, which brings fact that become important for the latter half of the video.

His most recent video is about Lily Orchard. A Trans Woman.

His thumbnail has been criticized by some because it has a post-coming-out but pre-transition image of Lily. Including people who are disregarding the video outright because of that.

So let me say that the video itself IS very respectful towards Lily's identity as a woman. He does bring up stuff from her pre-transition days, but only for the sake of an accurate depiction of the timeline. and always reffering to her with she/her pronouns.

he DOES mention her deadname, but only in the early part, and only for the sake of giving out an accurate timeline of events (say, when she came out).

I explain this because... the video is not pretty. it brings all the allegations that Lily has been having over the years. Her controversies. accounts of people accusing Lily of being abusive. etc, etc, etc.

Aside from the people who are trying to be as normal as you can about informing yourself about why a person is controversial, there have been two groups reacting to this video who want it to be transphobic.

Transphobes who want to use the exposing of an awful person who just HAPPENS to be a trans woman as ammunition to be as transphobic as possible.

and people who want to defend Lily. who believe as a Trans Woman, all the hate she is receiving is exclusively a sign of transphobia and misogyny.

The video is not that. it's not about that any more than the Hbomberguy video was about attacking a Gay Man.

[saintheartwing]

Here it is. It’s finally come out. Watch and make your own choices and judgments.

One more thing. Do NOT CALL LILY BY HER DEAD NAME. Do NOT harass her! Do not send fucking death threats or similar shit.

We should be able to criticize her for things like the horrible stories she’s written full of problematic at best and monstrous implications at worst, for her poor behavior online towards critics, and yes, even mistreatment of fans, friends and family. Going for cheap shots about her former name or similar crap is NOT FUCKING OKAY.

The criticisms should be on substance. Got it?

[purpledemonlilyposting]

What do the “Dawn of the #th day” memes you keep posting mean?

[misstah-joe]

Go watch this if you want to know a lot more about Lily if you haven't heard about her a while.

Or if you were just new to the Lily Orchard rabbit hole.

I'm gonna enjoy watching this and the aftermath.

[newmoonking]

Might as well call lily Callender from now on.

Because her days are numbered

[that-one-kiddo-in-the-back]

We're so close

[lilyvalerieorchard]

https://www.tumblr.com/redbuddi/764512040719155200/jon-the-king-made-a-video-on-lily-orchad-do-you thoughts?

I get where they are coming from, I understand why they would be worried about Joon, a non-LGBTQ+ person, covering an LGBTQ+ creator and how that might attract transmisogynists using Lily's actions as an excuse to demonize the trans/queer community. Believe me, I share those same worries.

Lily is horrible media critic as well as a dangerous person and must be deplatformed but, I cannot emphasize this enough, she does not nor will ever represent all trans women.